Ethena Pay: Building the Next Billion-Dollar Neobank
Lito Coen, go-to-market lead at Ethena, on his path from PayPal to crypto, the Indexed Finance hack and how he is taking Ethena Pay to market.
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Inside the conversation
Kash, who calls himself the cat herder at Jupiter, joined Julian Stafford to explain how the team thinks about product and growth. He studied political philosophy, entered crypto in 2016, helped found Superteam and joined Jupiter about a year before the recording. His job spans operations, Jupiter Lend strategy, partnerships, content and community. He described Jupiter as a collection of many startups: about 120 people, 12 or 13 revenue generating products, and 15 to 17 founders who joined through mergers and acquisitions. He said Jupiter did more than a trillion dollars in volume last year and holds over 90% of DEX aggregator share.
The operating system is fast iteration. Kash said Jupiter rarely launches a perfect product. It ships, listens closely to feedback and improves quickly, and he called those cycles the real competitive advantage. Prediction markets went from idea to live in roughly three or four weeks. Jupiter's mission is to bring the world into DeFi, and Kash described a barbell of users. One end is institutions bringing large liquidity onchain. The other is people who do not care about DeFi and just want financial products that work. He believes savings and yield are the biggest unlock for that second group, a single account that earns while money stays usable.
That view shapes the products. JupUSD is a native stablecoin backed by treasury bills. The token itself does not pay yield, but Jupiter can share the reserve income with users whose capital sits in limit orders, dollar cost averaging or prediction market positions. It also plugs into Jupiter Lend, built with the Fluid team, which Kash said added $1 billion in supply in its first eight days and reached about $1.85 billion. Its batch liquidation design supports loan-to-value ratios of 93 to 94% on some assets. Jupiter Mobile adds one-tap yield, a DeFi portfolio view, Jupiter Sync for moving wallets between devices and sending crypto as a link. Prediction markets run with Kalshi and are still in beta, with plans to make them more social.
On growth, Kash was direct. Mobile is the Trojan horse for Web2 users, but Jupiter has not cracked the growth formula. Downloads passed 1.1 million, and he sees a 10x gap to close using paid ads, content and in-person meetups. He also changed his mind about KYC and permissioned pools, now expecting permissionless and permissioned environments to coexist on public chains. His tip for new users is Jupiter Portfolio, a free dashboard for positions across about 160 protocols.
The video description notes that Surgence Labs ran the launch of Jupiter Gacha, which reached over $25M in sales in two weeks.
“It's the iterative cycles that are the competitive advantage, nothing else.”
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